Comments on: Clarity on which technologies compete in the RIA space http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/ Mike Downey is the Principal Evangelist for Platform Business Development at Adobe Systems and focuses on Adobe's platform technologies including AIR, Flash, and Flex. This is his personal blog. The views expressed on this site are his and his alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of Adobe Systems, it's employees or partners in any way. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Amoxicillin. http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-17800 Amoxicillin. Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:49:00 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-17800 <strong>Amoxicillin....</strong> Amoxicillin.... Amoxicillin….

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]]> By: Daniel http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-7061 Daniel Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:14:15 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-7061 I couldn't understand some parts of this article Clarity on which technologies compete in the RIA space, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting. I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Clarity on which technologies compete in the RIA space, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

]]> By: JD on EP http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3140 JD on EP Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:44:02 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3140 <strong>New tech confusions...</strong> New tech confusions: Not all speakers are up to speed; here's a refresher. Adobe Flash Player 9 is already plugged into the vast majority of the world's browsers. Microsoft's Silverlight is a proposed future browser plugin. The beta Adobe Integrated... New tech confusions…

New tech confusions: Not all speakers are up to speed; here’s a refresher. Adobe Flash Player 9 is already plugged into the vast majority of the world’s browsers. Microsoft’s Silverlight is a proposed future browser plugin. The beta Adobe Integrated…

]]> By: Nutrox http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3132 Nutrox Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:34:42 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3132 Shouldn't Flash also be listed under "Development Environments" for Adobe? I know Adobe is trying to steer developers towards Flex but you don't need to ignore Flash completely. :-) I also understand that MDM Zinc isn't really a desktop runtime, but the truth is that for AS3 based development it is in competition with AIR regardless of what Adobe or MDM say. As a developer I am now finding myself weighing up the pros and cons of AIR and Zinc before starting work on any AS3 based desktop application. Shouldn’t Flash also be listed under “Development Environments” for Adobe? I know Adobe is trying to steer developers towards Flex but you don’t need to ignore Flash completely. :-)

I also understand that MDM Zinc isn’t really a desktop runtime, but the truth is that for AS3 based development it is in competition with AIR regardless of what Adobe or MDM say. As a developer I am now finding myself weighing up the pros and cons of AIR and Zinc before starting work on any AS3 based desktop application.

]]> By: Mike Downey http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3088 Mike Downey Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:40:29 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3088 @greg h: I suppose my title is a bit misleading. My intent was to clarify the competition between Adobe, MSFT, and Sun in the RIA space. There's not really an Ajax equivalent for many of these items. @greg h:
I suppose my title is a bit misleading. My intent was to clarify the competition between Adobe, MSFT, and Sun in the RIA space. There’s not really an Ajax equivalent for many of these items.

]]> By: Mike Downey http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3087 Mike Downey Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:35:56 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3087 @Tim Sneath: well, you obviously know more about WPF/Silverlight than I do but in my opinion MS wants people to think Silverlight is very similar to WPF (like calling it WPF/e originally) because WPF has all the cool stuff in it, like components, 3D, etc. But the reality is that, though they use the same languages and share implementations of the CLR, they are otherwise nowhere near the same thing. Silverlight offers a very small subset of WPF features. This confusion was the inspiration for my post because I've encountered so many people who think WPF and Silverlight are the same thing, resulting in them overestimating Silverlight's capabilities. @Tim Sneath: well, you obviously know more about WPF/Silverlight than I do but in my opinion MS wants people to think Silverlight is very similar to WPF (like calling it WPF/e originally) because WPF has all the cool stuff in it, like components, 3D, etc. But the reality is that, though they use the same languages and share implementations of the CLR, they are otherwise nowhere near the same thing. Silverlight offers a very small subset of WPF features. This confusion was the inspiration for my post because I’ve encountered so many people who think WPF and Silverlight are the same thing, resulting in them overestimating Silverlight’s capabilities.

]]> By: greg h http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3086 greg h Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:07:49 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3086 You're too funny :-) No AJAX? No Javascript? How can you have any claim to completeness on a post about "Clarity on which technologies compete in the RIA space" and just not even include the #1 RIA Technology? Heck you're from Adobe. Didn't you guys create Spry? And isn't the new AJAX functionality in ColdFusion 8 one of its important new features? Yes, I too worry about Silverlight, but AJAX/Javascript remains the reigning contender. (Except for video of course, then Flash/Flex/AIR wins! :-) g You’re too funny :-)

No AJAX? No Javascript?

How can you have any claim to completeness on a post about “Clarity on which technologies compete in the RIA space” and just not even include the #1 RIA Technology? Heck you’re from Adobe. Didn’t you guys create Spry? And isn’t the new AJAX functionality in ColdFusion 8 one of its important new features?

Yes, I too worry about Silverlight, but AJAX/Javascript remains the reigning contender. (Except for video of course, then Flash/Flex/AIR wins! :-)

g

]]> By: footube42 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3084 footube42 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:27:29 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3084 Under the "Desktop Runtime" category, I think this would be more appropriate: Microsoft: Common Language Runtime (CLR for WPF and CoreCLR for Silverlight) Under the “Desktop Runtime” category, I think this would be more appropriate:

Microsoft: Common Language Runtime (CLR for WPF and CoreCLR for Silverlight)

]]> By: Tim Sneath http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3076 Tim Sneath Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:42:12 +0000 http://madowney.com/blog/2007/07/09/clarity-on-which-technologies-compete-in-the-ria-space/#comment-3076 Yeah, I think this is pretty fair, in general. I'd just make two points of clarification from our side. I'm a little surprised at the comment that Silverlight is "nowhere near the same thing as WPF" - they share an awful lot in common: the same XAML (WPF is a superset), the same .NET-based code-behind model, etc. Our design goal has been to offer a continuum from the web to the desktop, and it's pretty easy to move code up from Silverlight to WPF. Secondly, Silverlight also supports JavaScript and Visual Basic, as well as the dynamic languages you mention. Hope you don't mind me adding the Microsoft perspective. Have fun on the road, Mike! Best wishes, Tim Sneath Group Manager, Client Platform Evangelism Microsoft Corp. Yeah, I think this is pretty fair, in general.

I’d just make two points of clarification from our side. I’m a little surprised at the comment that Silverlight is “nowhere near the same thing as WPF” - they share an awful lot in common: the same XAML (WPF is a superset), the same .NET-based code-behind model, etc. Our design goal has been to offer a continuum from the web to the desktop, and it’s pretty easy to move code up from Silverlight to WPF.

Secondly, Silverlight also supports JavaScript and Visual Basic, as well as the dynamic languages you mention.

Hope you don’t mind me adding the Microsoft perspective. Have fun on the road, Mike!

Best wishes,

Tim Sneath
Group Manager, Client Platform Evangelism
Microsoft Corp.

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