General 24 Jul 2004 06:47 pm
[3rd Party] Kinoma Producer converts media files for Palm OS playback
I just found this cool app from Kinoma called “Kinoma Producer”. It lets you convert a wide variety of digital media formats, including Macromedia Flash, to their Kinoma format for playback on Palm OS devices using the Kinoma player.
I’m going to try this out to see if I can convert some of my DVDs for playback on my Treo 600 to give me something to do on my upcoming trip to Tokyo with the rest of the Flash team. My only worry is that almost every third-party Palm OS app that I’ve installed on my Treo has lead to a major OS crash - forcing me to do a full reset (ouch!). I’m not sure if it’s the GoodLink software that our IT department installs on our Treos to give us secure access to our Enterprise Exchange servers (great capability for us, by the way), or simply a problem with the Treo, but I have my fingers crossed.
on 25 Jul 2004 at 7:58 pm 1.btn said …
Maybe we need a native Flash Player for the Treo 600…
on 30 Oct 2004 at 9:07 pm 2.mo lohaus said …
Since so much of the smart phone market and PDA market runs on Palm OS, could we please PLEASE please please please have a Flash Player for Palm OS 5? The Sony Clie is built on the Palm OS 5, and it is Flash capable thru Flashlite.
I realize that there are a host … a horde shall we say … a horde of different devices using the Palm OS, and that their processors and displays vary significantly. There are also a slew, or at least a gaggle, of different browsers: Blazer, Web Pro, etc.
There are challenges in developing for varied screen sizes and aspect ratios as well. But there are hardware constants that can be worked with, and a well-built player could configure itself after assessing the hardware environment.
Collaboration between PalmOne, PalmSource and Macromedia on this is a win-win-win situation. Macromedia wants to be the ubiquitous multimedia device client and Palm wants to deliver a rich media experience — like those delivered on its licensee’s phones. Palm PDAs and smart devices are significant blank spot of market share MM could be present in.
Is it about nickels and dimes? What is impeding this collaboration? Does MM want Palm to license the player technology? Is the cost of player / plug-in development substantial — or not being budgeted by both parties? Or is there simply no productive dialog?
I suspect this, and I really hope this can be remedied. In my heart of hearts I would love to be writing flash apps for little 320×320 screens — and transforming my Zire 72 into a VR wonderland. Some of the mid range Palms now are really wonderful — sound, cameras, video — with full PDA functionality, and Bluetooth, and wifi options….
The Treo seems to be the direction things are going:
Phone / PDA / Web Interface — much like the Clie. Palm is savvy and will remain a major player in the market — lets get them into the fold somehow, or access their client base, or rationale rationale rationale.
I haven’t sprung for Kinoma Producer 2 yet — I’m waiting to hear that the movies it outputs from swf sources remain interactive. Do they? Who cares if we can turn a Quicktime .mov or dvd video into another format of video: big deal. How ’bout a seriously smart little interactive game (MicroQuake) or a brilliant high end portfolio site (like the Lear Jet site) on a handheld? MX Pro powers… activate!
I appreciate your work, Mike. I’ve read your little blurbs on the MM site for a while now.
All the best.
Mo Lohaus
on 05 Nov 2004 at 9:49 pm 3.Ed Mansouri said …
I am a Flash developer and just came back from MAX 2004, where Macromedia was all hyped up about encouraging development for the Flash Lite Player.
Yet, after one year, there is STILL no evidence that there will be Flash Player support on the Treo series of devices from PalmOne.
The people at the SprintPCS store had no clue what I was talking about when I asked them to show me a Nokia phone that has the Flash Player on it.
Macromedia has to do more for the development community if all their hard work on the R&D side of this wireless initiative is going to mean anything for developers in the US.
on 07 Nov 2004 at 5:59 pm 4.mo lohaus said …
Ed –
Do you have any idea what the organizational process or path is on this? Who does one talk to at MM or Palm to demonstrate the importance of this?
on 01 Feb 2005 at 12:08 pm 5.Ed Mansouri said …
I stumbled upon my own reply to this post when Googling about the latest status of Flash Lite and its deployment onto PalmOne devices.
I just came back from a conference where both Macromedia and PalmOne had booths. The “sales reps” from both companies indicated they were aware of strong interest to work with one another on getting the Flash Lite Player onto the PalmOne handhelds.
Why is this taking so long?
on 03 Apr 2005 at 1:15 pm 6.Brook said …
We need flash support on Palm big time. I have a Treo 600 and if I could develop flash apps for it I would start today…
on 19 Apr 2005 at 12:47 pm 7.Grey Matter said …
I cant belive we still dont have a flash player for Palm OS5. It was one of the reasons I bought a Treo 600 as I assumed MM and PalmOne were too smart to overlook an opportunity like that.
Thats one more loss to my Symbian touting other half. PalmOne seems to be adopting a less proactive culture (think no bluetooth on Treo 600). With this new Adobe takeover can this(Flash Lite on PalmOS5) still happen?
on 13 Nov 2005 at 1:51 pm 8.google左侧排å?? said …
organizational process or path is on this? Who does one talk to at MM or Palm to demonstrate the importance of this?
on 02 Feb 2006 at 3:50 pm 9.colin white said …
I read somewhere about a chap who explained how it was possible to remove and add applications to the treo rom- during update. could this not be used to ‘pinch’ a copy from a clie and then add it to a treo during update?
The guy was replacing realplayer with pocket tunes - im guessing - since the clie has very similar screen dimensions and abilities could it be possible????
just a thought ??
on 07 Mar 2006 at 2:12 am 10.Oleg said …
If you are still interested there is workarround about installing flash player to Treo 650. It’s copied from Sony Clie TH55. And it is working pretty well. The only thing is that this is only Flash player 5 :(.
I’ve installed it on my Treo yesterday and it seems to work pretty well, except of limited functionality - I mean mp3 sound and getURL problem.
There is the link with detail instructions - http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=90079